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garry strange Monday 30th January 2012 - 02.49pm
I think it is about time the review process started,I have only read what is on the council web site,which seems to read positively,although it still uses a wide brush and does not do much for the planning,in areas such as alpine retreat and closeburn I have expressed before to council that we have a lot of issues that not being solved with the existing plan vacant land owners , different land zones and a wilding pine issue that wont go away,I think these issues can only be be addressed with strong input from the plan ,addressing this area as a unique zone.The major problem is the outstanding nateral landscape which it is, or was, because now you can not see it.After the pines are removed the land is reforested with broom and gorse and because of the topography this is difficult to clear and then the pines grow back,It is impossible to compete with this, and one of the only solutions would be to increase the amount of subdivision cheers garry
Kim Badger Friday 15th June 2012 - 12.11pm
Regarding Wilding Trees. I would like to see Albert Town brought in line with Wanaka and Lake Hawea in regards to the activity of planting pines and eucalyptus trees being prohibited in urban areas. These trees grow too big and block neighbours sunlight. Can the council please amend the district plan to include Albert Town for these tree rules. Thank you.
Bryan Lloyd Friday 15th June 2012 - 05.33pm
I am a current Wanaka Community Board member, and the immediate past Chair of the Albert Town Community Association. The ATCA has been concerned for some time past at the lack of guidelines as to what trees and/or hedges can or cannot be planted in the Albert Town area, and what height(s) such trees or hedges are permitted to grow to, and what distance from section boundaries are permitted. I believe that there are "rules" in place for some areas of the Upper Clutha but not all. Our belief is that there should be uniformity covering all residential areas in the District. I understand from Kim Badger, the Association's current Treasurer, that a meeting can be arranged with the appropriate person(s), to discuss the concerns of the members of the Association first hand, so you can get a grip on what the feelings of the Community are. Such concerns can then be encapsulated in the District Plan Review, if deemed to be appropriate. I leave it to you to organise a meeting time with Kim who can then advise the Committee and community generally.
Margaret Barrow Monday 18th June 2012 - 04.57pm
Albert Town would like to be bought into line with other communities over the tree planting issues.
Wilding pine trees are still being planted in our area, which is totally unsatisfactory, especially for any
neighbours to these menacing wildings.
Philip Smith Tuesday 19th June 2012 - 12.18pm
Lake Hawea
The District Plan should identify the Character for new development
The township size has by default prawled, so recognise this and extend to suit.
No need for a commercial precinct, too hard on close neighbours.
The 1.9m hight restriction on plants is not working and is in fact not able to be enforced. Where on the continuum does a plant reach this size. I was not aware there was such a byelaw, so remove it, it's nopt effective.
Laurie Farmer Sunday 24th June 2012 - 12.39pm
In response to the Lake Hawea township issues and options
Questions 1 to 5 I hold no clear or firm views
Questions 6
sam kane Friday 29th June 2012 - 06.50pm
Re forestry and wilding trees issues and options;

reqquiring new forestry plantations and shelter belts, in rural general zone, to have a consent, is crazy. It needs to be permitted, provided they are not wilding.

HOWEVER;

your list of wilding species is inconsistant with reality. I farm radiata, niagra, fur, lupins, and various eucalyptus. These have had ample opportunity (and fifty years) to spread, but havent. narrow this list up to be better target those with real potential to spread.

Property owners (incl public bodies) harboring wilding trees need to be 'encouraged' to erradicate them are (just like farmers are requried to keep control of thier rabbits).

regards,
sam
Charmaine Broderick Friday 29th June 2012 - 09.36pm
I believe that the Plan for Lake Hawea should proceed with designating a commercial zone. The township is going to grow and therefore commercial services are going to begin in the area. Currently I guess such activites could commence all over the place if given approval. I own a section in what I believe could well end up being in a commerically zoned area eventually. I have owned this section for many years and have always been unsure as to what the future zoning will be and this has in part, largely contributed to my indecision about what to do with this section. Would give clarity to landowners and regulate these activites. Also useful for residents and visitors to know where the commercial hub of the town is. I believe the area around the tavern to the area around the shop, which has already naturally become "commercial" could be officially designated as such.
Mal Robinson Wednesday 4th July 2012 - 03.10pm
Re:Lake Hawea Township Options and Review -
1. No need to identify amenity and character for new development - the current building regulations are sufficient. Remove this reference from Objective 1
2. Yes the township zone should be extended. As part of the 2020 planning consultation back in 2003 this was clearly identified by the local community. Move the existing township zone sotuhwards to the north side of Cemetery Road and change the current zoning of this land from rural residential to township.
3. Yes I think a small commercial precinct should be established, if possible. It makes sense to create this around the existing commercial area i.e. hotel, shop etc. But if this is not possible then somewhere in the new township zoning i.e. Cemetery Road seems logical.
4. Boundary planting / fencing heights can create problems. The current rules probably need to be looked at and then agreed upon. Once this has happened, then enforcement is essential to ensure the rules are complied with.
Colin Goldthorpe Saturday 7th July 2012 - 08.56pm
I strongly support the continuation of the rural residential status of the southern part of the Hawea township area (Cemetery Rd / Grandview / Sam John Place). The lower density of housing in this area is its most attractive feature and certainly the reason why I purchased a house on an acre in the area. If I wanted to live in very close proximity to my neighbours I would have chosen elsewhere. I feel any movement towards higher density housing will be driven more by the greed of developers than those who have any consideration for the quality of lifestyle. I also cannot understand the consideration of this change at a time when many subdivisions in the wider area look like ghost towns, obviously the existing capacity of residential sections exceeds the current demand anyway.
Jackie Ridder Monday 9th July 2012 - 02.32pm
Lake Hawea - I agree to move the existing township zone to the north side of Cemetery Road and change the current zoning of this land from rural residential to township. it is already on town water etc and will allow growth in the town in the future.
Guy Simpson Tuesday 10th July 2012 - 11.57pm
Lake Hawea- I am 100% for the moving of the Lake Hawea township zone to Cemetery and Muir Rd's. It will promote growth in the town and may provide cheaper affordable section and housing options that would appeal to younger families. This area is already on town water and sewer so makes sense to move the boundary.
I feel that the township would also benefit from a designated commercial area it would greatly promote growth and also gives residents more options and would save travel into Wanaka.
Sue Graham Thursday 12th July 2012 - 12.58pm
Re Lake Hawea township questions
1. No need to identify specific character constraints. Lake Hawea should be able to develop its own character, as it has done in the past.
2. Yes the township should be allowed to grow and thus the zone needs to be extended.
3. If the township is to grow, there needs to be commercial development to support it. Hence provision needs to be made for a commercial precinct.
4. The existing rule regarding planting restriction is totally unrealistic. There are many breaches of this rule and it is the height of plantings on the boundary that helps contribute to the special character of Lake Hawea township. New developments shouldn't be unreasonably constrained by this rule, so that with time, their properties can fit in with the existing character of the township.
Malcolm Turnbull Friday 13th July 2012 - 01.09pm
Lake Hawea. I concur with the comment by Colin Goldthorpe regarding rezoning.
The provisions regarding amenity and character should be retained and strengthened. Increasing housing density and smaller sections will destroy the relatively low density and open space that attracts many people to the township.
A commercial precinct may be beneficial provided all commercial activity, without any exception, is restricted to the precinct.
While the intent of boundary planting restriction was good, trees grow and "legal" plantings can have the same adverse effects. Most boundary plantings are intended to provide wind breaks and privacy. Plantings are more in keeping with the amenity values being promoted than, eg, wooden fences. The restriction should be removed.
Don Robertson Friday 13th July 2012 - 08.25pm
Should the Township zone be extended? Should we consider rezoning... Does Lake Hawea require more Township Zone to encourage its growth? No. The Rural Residential Zone adjacent to the Township Zone is already a part of the Lake Hawea town, and contributes to its “particular character”. Why would we rezone it? One obvious result of rezoning would be a move to higher density housing with substantial loss of amenity value and increased infrastructural demand. To rezone the Rural Residential Zone to Township Zone status would be a mistake in that it would both ignore and remove the contribution to “particular character” by the Rural Residential Zone. This question implies that growth, presumably in terms of more dwellings and increased population size for Lake Hawea Township is both a good and desirable thing to encourage. This is a highly dodgy presumption. Perhaps the community needs to decide what it considers “growth” to be, whether there can be agreement as to what (if any) growth is desirable and sustainable, and whether it would enhance the quality of life for residents of Lake Hawea. Should a commercial precinct be identified? It would make sense for most new commercial activities to locate in the Wanaka commercial precincts in Andersons Road or Ballantyne Road areas. These areas offer excellent synergies between commercial activities, provide a critical mass of services already established and that provides ease of access to services by clients. Given the “particular character”, small size and small number of options for a new commercial precinct within the Lake Hawea Township area any such local commercial precinct would need to be quite small and therefore restricted to small footprint businesses.
Graeme ballantyne Monday 16th July 2012 - 01.39pm
Lake Hawea
I favour rezoning the area north of Cemetery Rd to allow for higher density building. This would 1) help maintain the towns boundaries for longer 2) be better usage of land. The present acre with a house in the middle surrounded by under utilised and poor quality land is better suited to houses.

I would like to see better connections and through-ways between the lakefront area and the southern part of the town.

I would favour designating limited commercial activity, such as retail outlets, near the existing shop/cafe, to cater for the increasing numbers of tourists and visitors using the cycle tracks.

The towns unique restrictions on plantings should be removed.
Steve Monday 23rd July 2012 - 08.22pm
Re Wanaka Town Centre.
The south side of Brownston Street, from Helwick to Dungarvon Sts.,is becoming de facto commercial.We pay commercial rates without any of the benefits of commercial zoning.Thought should be given to changing the current low density residential zoning to commercial.
Ralph Henderson Monday 11th February 2013 - 08.51pm
Thank you for your comments Steve. Rezoning areas to reflect changes of use or environmental conditions where appropriate are being considered as part of the review.
Anna Tuesday 24th July 2012 - 04.56pm
Re Lake Hawea
Amenity/Character: No need to change or specify
Township Zone: Given the amount of property presently available for development within the relevant zones, and new subdivisions with approval ie/Timsfield stage 2(?)there is no need for the forseeable 10 years to provide for rezoning or increasing existing density.
Planting heights: Retain existing rule, no change. If not READILY enforceable then at the least it may discourage excessive growth which can compromise the wonderful views this town is reputed for.
Commercial Precinct: No. The magic of Lake Hawea is the 'small town' feel and permanent residents (and I guessholiday home owners) are more than happy to drive to Wanaka for their shopping. There are currently not the population requirements or needs to support a commercial Precinct at Lake Hawea for the forseeable 10 years.
Basil Walker Thursday 9th August 2012 - 05.56pm
Wilding tree in Wakatipu basin (specifically Pine and Conifer Variety)
I believe that loss of sun and therefore amenity values is a major factor of wilding tree spread in QLDC area and is missing from the list of major problems and determinants.
Dealing with DOC is impossible even after well meaning consultation is initiated and conducted between parties.
A rule is required stating clear rules about height above natural landform which would administer a reasonable compromise for Doc excuses in regard to erosion etc.

I suggest that 7 meters which complies with residential building heights would allow DOC a rule to easily determine within the residential land DOC administers within the QLDC residential Zone and comply with reasonable shading concerns of residents.

The Queenstown Gardens will require a special rule to allow and plan for thinning of existing trees where shade and wind protection issues require time to complete protection and establishment of other species.
Karen Taylor Friday 17th August 2012 - 02.14pm
Regarding Glenorchy
Scott Figenshow Thursday 6th September 2012 - 09.55am
Hi Karen- what were your comments? the post has only "regarding Glenorchy"

thanks to everyone for posting- yes the Policy team reads these!
cheers
Scott
K MacD Hunter Monday 20th August 2012 - 09.48pm
As an owner of property in Glenorchy I have received notices of the District Plan Review, and wish to make the following comments for consideration in feedback:

- Glenorchy minimum roof pitch rule.
I do not believe that the Council should be an arbiter of aesthetics. Any rules pertaining
to roof pitch should be purely for engineering reasons regarding issues such as snow
weight and shedding. Glenorchy does not have an Alpine character; it has the simple
pleasant feel of a relatively unspoiled country town in a superb setting.
In my view, therefore, the minimum pitch rule should be removed.
Should two-storied houses be allowed? Issues of view and sun are raised in this
consideration; there should certainly be a height limit, and if, with the roof pitch
rule being abandoned a two storied building fits within the maximum building height
allowable, then so be it.

-Recession planes
Following from above, I believe that the Three Parks recession plane rules should be
adopted for Glenorchy. However, I would take issue with the maximum height
in the Three Parks Rule; a height of 8 metres would be inappropriate for Glenorchy.
The maximum height should be at most 6 metres.

-Clarifying flood level and maximum building height
Simplification of rules is to be commended. I would therefore vote in favour of the
production of a simplified table of heights, the point of conjecture being the allowable
height. The suggested 5.5m is probably a reasonable compromise in consideration of
sun and views for neighbouring properties.

-Amenity and character
As with my comments above regarding roof pitch, I do not believe that it is the place
of the council to dictate development character or type. I therefore believe that the
phrase "Recognition of the particular character, build environment and range of uses
existing in the individual townships." should be removed.

-Is the current commercial precinct in Glenorchy adequate?
Adequacy or lack thereof will be communicated by demand not satisfied by current
arrangements. Expansion of commercial activity should, in my view, be best
contained within a precinct rather than being allowed scattered development. The
most appropriate location for further development would therefore be by expansion
of the existing town centre.

Thank you for the opportunity to air my opinion on changes to the District Plan
John Glover Monday 3rd September 2012 - 08.58pm
Hi Keith,

Thanks for joining the debate. We have a Community Association meeting this week and I'll ensure your comments are taken on board.

We live in one of the most beautiful places on earth, and our challenge is to promote a streetscape that adds, rather than detracts from that. Glenorchy is now a cheap place to buy land and it's likely that we'll see a lot more building in the coming years.

The question to answer is - are we happy to end up as another disjointed Lake Hayes Estate hotch potch of houses or are there other outcomes that the community would like to see?

No easy answer and we need to avoid adding $ to build costs. No one here sets out to be the arbiter of taste and design, but might it not be a bad thing to have an underlying feel to the town?
Trish Fraser Wednesday 5th September 2012 - 10.10am
Glenorchy
For Glenorchy the District Plan is fine the way it is. The biggest problem is that the Council do not follow it and allow all sorts of exemptions often without even consulting neighbours or the Glenorchy Community Association.

I like the Alpine Village feel of Glenorchy and this should be retained. I don't think the recession planes or the minimum roof pitch rule should change. Clarifying the flood level and the maximum building height as suggested 5.5m above 312.8masl whichever is highest is a good idea.
Views in Glenorchy need to be protected, and sun is very important in such a cold climate. Its a beautiful place, lets keep it that way.

Trish
Toni Glover Monday 24th September 2012 - 05.51pm
Glenorchy rules in the district plan and commercial precinct
Given there have been issues where planners have not been clear or have interpreted rules differently there clearly needs to be clarification. the 52 page section 29 report is clear. The district plan is not. Whatever the plan finishes up as, it must be workshopped with lawyers and planners to ensure it can only be interpreted one way and that must match with the section 52 report or equivalent.

Sewerage treatment
Glenorchy has seen much less relative investment than Queenstown both residentially and commerically. If a sewerage treatment plant is in the too hard basket, that decision should be made and businesses and residents should be able to invest in a treatment system without being required to pay again for the development of a township plant. This is holding up possibilities for the town for the future.

Commerical zone
the natural flow of town is down towards the lake with two additional Commercial sites added past the GYC cafe. I believe there should be the option for both sides of Mull street to be commercial all the way down to the lake with additional parking carrying on to the left hand corner of Mull street facing the lake.

A light industrial area should be considered as well as a special area for ' inspirational office space' where we can attract multinational creatives who work in a broadband connected world and choose to creat online in our wonderful area. E.g. A Google or Apple office....

whatever happens, thank you for the forum
Patrick Harley Wednesday 24th October 2012 - 09.55pm
Re Albert town brochure DP review.
Yes, define new zones to reflect Albert town as an urban settlement.
No, DP should not promote a particular character, no rules about building styles.
Yes the commercial zone should be enlarged. If the area across the road from the tavern
is not already zoned commercial, then it should be. Or along alison ave near the tavern.
Yes please do introduce tree planting rules for Albert town, as there are in other districts.
Yes create a list of banned wilding tree species for entire district.
Yes please prepare guidelines for property owners to use and comply to when they landscape their residential properties. Guidelines will help to ensure the rules adhered to.
Ella Lawton Monday 29th October 2012 - 11.46am
Albert Town

I agree that Albert Town is more of urban character than rural. I would like further discussion on 'defining new zones ... to provide for a range of densities including the current Rural Residential and Township zonings'.

Relating to this I would oppose that the district plan 'promote a particular character in Albert Town', I feel this is stifling the evolution of Albert Town's character.

With the ever increasing size of Albert Town the commercial area should also be increased.

Trees are fabulous; we should support the planting of them. On the other hand boundary planting rules should be introduced into Albert Town, but only where the tree could be deemed a 'nuisance'. Where the tree is not affecting anyone, then a tree higher than 1.9m can be planted at the owner’s discretion and with the caveat that it will be removed at the land owner’s expense if it does ‘nuisance’. I also support the development of guidelines for property owners to provide advice about what should and should not be planted. This should be available to every home, in every gardening store in town and addition information/training provided for salespeople, landscape designers and other business people whom these rules might affect.

As for 'wilding' trees I think QLDC needs to be very careful about the proposed ‘ban’ list. Some of these species could become a valuable asset for the future of the region (both as intentional plantings and wilding) to provide fast growing sources of wood for both construction and firewood. Wanaka residents currently use an estimated 110 hectares of wood per year, approximately 1/8th of the entire area of Queenstown Lakes District. I do not have the data for where majority of our wood currently comes from but I would not be surprised if it is increasingly imported from outside the region. The Council must consider the impact these rules may have on the future availability of wood in the district.

Thank you.
Ella Lawton.
Jenni Coop Friday 16th November 2012 - 01.26pm
Your pamplet on the District Plan Review asks the question 'Should a rule restrict height and type of boundary planting in Albert Town'? I feel this question covers two different issues. I don't have a problem with the height of trees, rather bad prunning or cutting of trees to keep them below the restriction could cause the trees to grow wider and block more view or sun.
However I think wilding species should be restricted which is a completely different problem.
Alison Jones Wednesday 12th December 2012 - 02.13pm
Good afternoon, I'm in the process of studying papers and one of the questions is, can I landscape using mainly douglas fir trees. Have spend over an hour trying to find from Queenstown Lakes District Council,will be great to hear
Michael Tierney Friday 25th January 2013 - 09.08pm
In regards to landscaping with Douglas Fir, I should sincerely hope that you consider more appropriate trees for this mountain region. Douglas Fir is rightly considered a pest.
Blair Devlin Monday 28th January 2013 - 08.58am
Hi Alison,
The answer depends on which zone you are in, if you are in the Rural Genral zone (95% of the district) then planting of Douglas Firs does require a resource consent so that the risk of wilding spred can be assessed. In other zones there are no rules. I have a neat table listing all the 'wilding rules' per zone which I can send you if you like. We are reviewing all of the rules around planting trees as part of the District Plan Review. blair.devlin@qldc.govt.nz.
Rob Carey Thursday 24th January 2013 - 08.05pm
My biggest consern with the proposed re zoning and further development
In the lake Hayes area is that we currently, in a wet summer, are already
on water restriction. Is there really the infrastructure to support this growth?
Michael Tierney Friday 25th January 2013 - 09.06pm
I hope QLDC watched the John Key presentation today. If I was QLDC I would be seriously thinking about reversing the previous daft decision to restrict Arrowtown boundaries in the faint hope that the population growth would miraculously stop. Any action by council to limit growth in one area has a negative effect in another.

QLDC would be better advised to consider sensible growth in Arrowtown rather than put a blanket restrictive covenant against further expansion. Drawing a line around Arrowtown to say "STOP" is complete nonsense. As this daft initiative has yet to become a by law, there is still time for commons sense to prevail.

Just get on and make a decision.

Just to stop the nay sayers from wasting their time. yes I am in real estate in Arrowtown and I am the one who has to say to prospective new home buyers that a new section will cost over $400,000 when those potential buyers have a budget of $500,000.

In Arrowtown buyers spend a disproportional amount on land verses the money spent on a home.

Terry drayton Wednesday 30th January 2013 - 02.28pm
Rural zone Wanaka:Would like to see Studholme Rd to Hillend Rd and up to Cardona Valley Rd greenbelted so we have a protection plan in place for what will develop over the next 50 years plus.
Pembroke park: we need to protect this park from ANY future structural devlopment. Skateboard Park needs to be relocated before it grows into a concrete jungle.Ideally turn park into a botanical garden with a tea house, close off lakeside road and bring park to the lake edge. Relocate parking underground and extend if required-userpays.
Noise:Create a noise free zone over the bay outside the town:ie; motor boats access only(5km) to Beacon Pt.Airspace also noise free over the same area. ay commercial development to be limited to existing operstors and relocate future enterprises to waterfall creek.
Bullock Creek: zone for commercial devlopment with a board walk along both sides from Browston st to ardmore St. Shops abd cafes can front on to the board walk -car free.
Traffic: Direct all traffic down Brownston St from Brownston St/Ardmore inersection.One way to lake from this point to Lake.Other half of road mix of parking and footpath reserve/seating/cafe tables.

Time to develop wanaka into a true alpine resort, better architecture controls in retail area, less cars. Convert Helwick St from lake to paperplus corner to pesdestrian zone.
look forward to progressive balanced development Think 100 years ahead!
Ralph Henderson Monday 11th February 2013 - 08.46pm
Thanks for your comments Terry, we will consider these points. However, some of your comments relate to more specific issues regarding the design or use of Council land than is addressed through the District Plan itself. In these cases i have forwarded these comments to the relevant Council managers - Paul Wilson in relation to Pembroke and other parks and Denis Mander in relation to trafic issues. Bullock Creek is currently zoned for the activities you describe. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Kind regards
Upper Clutha Environmental Society (Inc.) Thursday 14th February 2013 - 10.45pm
WANAKA URBAN GROWTH BOUNDARIES. The Society supports the Structure Plan Inner Growth Boundary per the map (Jan 2013). The Society opposes the Outer Growth Boundary and suggests it should be deleted from the DP because: 1. The IGB will easily enable sufficient urban development in the period while this DP is operative. 2. The OGB will inevitably be used to justify development during the period when this DP is operative. This will lead to this boundary becoming the de facto urban boundary with consequent urban sprawl. 3. Deleting the OGB will simplify the DP, which is a key objective in UCES's opinion. Should the OGB be retained the Society submits that there is no logic to the IGB/OGB interface at the north-western lakeside boundary. Including the roche moutonnee in the OGB will lead to urban development with significant adverse effects. The IGB and OGB should be the same at this point and adopt the IGB position. The Society supports European style "hard edges" to urban growth rather than "soft edges" as promoted in the recent Arrowtown Court decision. Soft edges lead to a blurring of urban boundaries and inevitable long-term urban sprawl.
P Thurnham Sunday 17th February 2013 - 01.10am
Would like to suggest a review of the 10pm ban on outside drinking in supervised areas (ie licensed bar/restaurant courtyards) in an environment such as ours, surely having a drink outside is a wonderful thing, surely the owners of these establishments can be trusted to maintain order on their premises and still allow their customers this privilege?
Ralph Henderson, Senior Policy Analyst Thursday 21st February 2013 - 08.09pm
Thanks for your comment. This is definitely a matter we are looking at in the review. The current restrictions on the use of outdoor bar areas after 10pm actually arise from the night noise limits in the town centres. The night time noise limits are relatively low and a group of people drinking and talking can exceed them. However this is a two sided issues with residential activities and visitor accommodation providers seeking to maintain amenity by maintaining lower night time noise levels.
TS Wednesday 3rd April 2013 - 04.15am
Surely visitor accommodations should be held to a higher standard as with bars and restaurants. As it stands, there are very few places in town where you can enjoy a meal or drink outside after 10pm and these establishments are required to have their doors and windows closed from 10pm also. Why aren't the hotels, motels, backpackers, holiday stays etc held to the same standard? Why don't they have restrictions placed upon them whereby they must also close their windows and doors at 10pm? Why aren't they required to soundproof or double glaze their rooms? The bars and restaurants are forced to restrict their business activity and potential growth to satisfy the accommodations, yet there is no responsibility placed on the accommodations. It seems that all noise restrictions fall solely on the places that keep tourists coming to Wanaka - the bars and restaurants...

there is so much
soundproofing
TS Tuesday 19th February 2013 - 10.30pm
I second P Thurman's suggestion to review the 10pm ban on outside drinking. Reviewing this bylaw will not only increase tourism in Wanaka, it will enable current businesses to grow. The 10pm outside drinking ban really hinders businesses on those summer nights where it doesnt get dark till after 10. It also effects tourism in Wanaka as a lot of people decide to go to QT instead as they can't enjoy themselves in the same way. So many of the tourists come from cities where they can go out until 6am if they choose to, and then they come to Wanaka and are met with these crazy archaic bylaws and they don't understand it.

No one likes to be told that they can't have a drink with their meal outside or that they can't smoke and drink together outside after 10pm on a beautiful summers night, or enjoy the warmth of an open fire during the winter months.

Extending the outside drinking hours will not increase the amount of people drinking in Wanaka at any one time, it just merely gives them the freedom to drink outside within a supervised area. With current restrictions on outside music any increase in noise would only be that of people talking which is already present due to the national law requiring people to smoke outside.


Ralph Henderson, Senior Policy Analyst Monday 18th March 2013 - 02.57am
Thanks for your comment. This is definitely a matter we are looking at in the review.
There appears to be a misconception that there is a ban due to a bylaw. The current restrictions on the use of outdoor bar areas after 10pm actually arise from the night noise limits in the town centres. Activities wishing to exceed the noise limits can apply for a resource consent to do so. This enables consideration of whether anyone would be disturbed by the different hours of operation, additional noise etc. The current night time noise limits are relatively low and a group of people drinking and talking can exceed them. However, this is a two sided issue with residential activities and visitor accommodation providers seeking to maintain amenity by maintaining lower night time noise levels.
TS Tuesday 26th March 2013 - 12.27am
I understand that the 10pm law has arisen due to noise restrictions in town... however, correct me if I'm wrong Ralph, but night time noise restrictions are set at approximately 40 decibels - a babies cry, moderate rainfall, a dishwasher and a quiet office are all louder than 40 decibels. When looking at it like that, it seems to me that the set noise limit is far too low and is something that should also be addressed. It is after all, the CBD of Wanaka and obviously causing a lot of concern among fellow patrons and businesses in town. Not to mention, likely to be affecting tourism also.
Ralph Henderson, Senior Policy Analyst Tuesday 2nd April 2013 - 09.53pm
Hi TS, thanks again for your comments. The night noise limit for residential areas is 40 dBA but in the town centres is 50dBA. Although this is higher than residential areas, town centres tend to be inherently more noisy places due to the amount of activity that occurs there. As noted before the current limit is low compared to most town centres. We agree it is an issue that needs to be looked at and a solution that deals with both activities that generate noise (eg bars and restaurants) and activities that are sensitive to noise (eg hotels and residents) comprehensively would be ideal. Please feel free to email me directly at ralph.henderson@qldc.govt.nz if you would like more information on this issue. Kind regards
M Bamford Wednesday 20th February 2013 - 02.43am
Bars and restaurants have a responsibility when they get their licence, as well as the staff working at the premise. Look outside the window and see what beauty we have around us, I think shutting patrons inside at 10pm should be reviewed.
Ralph Henderson, Senior Policy Analyst Monday 18th March 2013 - 02.59am
Thanks for your comment. This is definitely a matter we are looking at in the review.
M McLaughlin Saturday 23rd February 2013 - 07.40am
Re: Outside drinking. I feel that at present the restrictions on outside drinking are not reasonable and need to be reviewed. This not only limits some businesses availability to take advantage of the busy seasons (that we strive on). It also creates a negative aspect to a visitors perception of Wanaka when they fail to see the reasoning behind why they are not able to continue to drink outside after 10pm whilst people are required to smoke outside at all times.
Ralph Henderson, Senior Policy Analyst Monday 18th March 2013 - 03.11am
The current restrictions on the use of outdoor bar areas after 10pm actually arise from the night noise limits in the town centres. The night time noise limits are relatively low and a group of people drinking and talking can exceed them. Many bars have conditions on consent restricting smokers drinking outside when they smoke to reduce the noise they make while outside and to discourage people remaining outdoors for any length of time after 10pm. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Kind regards
Kerry LaFontaine Wednesday 27th February 2013 - 11.40pm
10pm Outside Dining
Darryll Rogers Sunday 28th April 2013 - 08.53am
I am fully in favour of the re-zoning of land north of Cemetery Road from rural residential to township zoning. As there is existing infrastructure, in roads, water and sewerage it makes economic sense to allow the infilling of this area. It also is also environmentally beneficial as it would delay the further development of 100% rural land until a much later date.
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